diff --git a/fhem/CHANGED b/fhem/CHANGED
index 4aab767f6..7b3f80253 100644
--- a/fhem/CHANGED
+++ b/fhem/CHANGED
@@ -1,5 +1,6 @@
 # Add changes at the top of the list. Keep it in ASCII, and 80-char wide.
 # Do not insert empty lines here, update check depends on it.
+  - feature: 01_FHEMWEB: Dump "Probably associated with" in Raw definition
   - bugfix:  93_DbRep: added balance diff to diffValue, balance diff to next
                        period if value is 0 between two periods with values
                        are set
diff --git a/fhem/FHEM/01_FHEMWEB.pm b/fhem/FHEM/01_FHEMWEB.pm
index f5db0c3e0..f749b052c 100755
--- a/fhem/FHEM/01_FHEMWEB.pm
+++ b/fhem/FHEM/01_FHEMWEB.pm
@@ -1260,17 +1260,7 @@ FW_doDetail($)
   FW_pO FW_detailSelect($d, "attr", $attrList);
 
   FW_makeTable("Attributes", $d, $attr{$d}, "deleteattr");
-  ## dependent objects
-  my @dob;  # dependent objects - triggered by current device
-  foreach my $dn (sort keys %defs) {
-    next if(!$dn || $dn eq $d);
-    my $dh = $defs{$dn};
-    if(($dh->{DEF} && $dh->{DEF} =~ m/\b$d\b/) ||
-       ($h->{DEF}  && $h->{DEF}  =~ m/\b$dn\b/)) {
-      push(@dob, $dn);
-    }
-  }
-  FW_makeTableFromArray("Probably associated with", "assoc", @dob,);
+  FW_makeTableFromArray("Probably associated with", "assoc", getPawList($d));
 
   FW_pO "</td></tr></table>";
 
@@ -1278,7 +1268,7 @@ FW_doDetail($)
 
   FW_pH "cmd=style iconFor $d", "Select icon",         undef, "detLink iconFor";
   FW_pH "cmd=style showDSI $d", "Extend devStateIcon", undef, "detLink showDSI";
-  FW_pH "cmd=rawDef $d", "Raw defintion", undef, "detLink rawDef";
+  FW_pH "cmd=rawDef $d", "Raw definition", undef, "detLink rawDef";
   FW_pH "cmd=delete $d", "Delete this device ($d)",    undef, "detLink delDev"
          if($d ne "global");
   my $sfx = AttrVal("global", "language", "EN");
diff --git a/fhem/docs/commandref_frame.html b/fhem/docs/commandref_frame.html
index 24da576c7..d62fb35dc 100644
--- a/fhem/docs/commandref_frame.html
+++ b/fhem/docs/commandref_frame.html
@@ -888,7 +888,7 @@ The following local attributes are used by a wider range of devices:
 <ul>
   <code>list [devspec] [value]</code><br>
   or<br>
-  <code>list -r devspec</code><br>
+  <code>list {-r|-R} devspec</code><br>
   <br><br>
   Output a list of all definitions, all notify settings and all at
   entries. This is one of the few commands which return a string in a
@@ -950,7 +950,9 @@ The following local attributes are used by a wider range of devices:
     [...]
   </code></pre>
   With the -r (raw) option output the device definition in a format suitable
-  for inclusion in fhem.cfg and fhem.state.
+  for inclusion in fhem.cfg and fhem.state. -R returns the definition of the
+  device itself, together with the definition of probably associated devices.
+  Note: the algorithm to select associated devices is known to be imperfect.
 </ul>
 
 <a name="modify"></a>
diff --git a/fhem/docs/commandref_frame_DE.html b/fhem/docs/commandref_frame_DE.html
index ac9151e7b..d9b416a72 100644
--- a/fhem/docs/commandref_frame_DE.html
+++ b/fhem/docs/commandref_frame_DE.html
@@ -937,7 +937,7 @@ Die folgenden lokalen Attribute werden von mehreren Ger&auml;ten verwendet:
 <ul>
   <code>list [devspec] [value]</code><br>
   oder<br>
-  <code>list -r devspec</code><br>
+  <code>list {-r|-R} devspec</code><br>
   <br><br>
   Auflistung aller &quot;definitions&quot;, &quot;notify&quot; und
   &quot;at&quot;-Definitionen. Dies ist eines der wenigen Befehle, die im
@@ -999,7 +999,9 @@ Die folgenden lokalen Attribute werden von mehreren Ger&auml;ten verwendet:
     [...]
   </code></pre>
   Mit der -r (raw) Option werden die Daten in einem f&uuml;r fhem.cfg bzw.
-  fhem.state passenden format generiert.
+  fhem.state passenden Format generiert. -R liefert diese Daten auch f&uuml;r
+  alle von diesem Ger&auml;t vermutlich ben&ouml;gten Ger&auml;te.
+  Achtung: die Bestimmung dieser Liste ist ungenau.
 </ul>
 
 
diff --git a/fhem/fhem.pl b/fhem/fhem.pl
index 0ad34f4c5..6960c5ec5 100755
--- a/fhem/fhem.pl
+++ b/fhem/fhem.pl
@@ -114,6 +114,7 @@ sub fhemTzOffset($);
 sub getAllAttr($);
 sub getAllGets($);
 sub getAllSets($);
+sub getPawList($);
 sub getUniqueId();
 sub latin1ToUtf8($);
 sub myrename($$$);
@@ -2187,9 +2188,17 @@ CommandList($$)
   my ($cl, $param) = @_;
   my $str = "";
 
-  if($param =~ m/^-r *(.*)$/) {
-    my @list = devspec2array($1 ? $1 : ".*", $cl);
-    foreach my $d (sort @list) {
+  if($param =~ m/^-r *(.*)$/i) {
+    my @list;
+    my $arg = $1;
+    if($param =~ m/^-R/) {
+      return "-R needs a valid device as argument" if(!$arg);
+      push @list, $arg;
+      push @list, getPawList($arg);
+    } else {
+      @list = devspec2array($arg ? $arg : ".*", $cl);
+    }
+    foreach my $d (@list) {
       return "No device named $d found" if(!defined($defs{$d}));
       $str .= "\n" if($str);
       my @a = GetDefAndAttr($d);
@@ -4802,7 +4811,7 @@ parseParams($;$)
       $value =~ s/^.(.*).$/$1/;
     }
 
-    #collext all parts until opening { and closing } are matched
+    #collect all parts until opening { and closing } are matched
     if( $value =~ m/^{/ ) { # } for match
       my $count = 0;
       for my $i (0..length($value)-1) {
@@ -4835,5 +4844,22 @@ parseParams($;$)
   return(\@a, \%h);
 }
 
+# get "Porbably Associated With" list for a devicename
+sub
+getPawList($)
+{
+  my ($d) = @_;
+  my $h = $defs{$d};
+  my @dob;
+  foreach my $dn (sort keys %defs) {
+    next if(!$dn || $dn eq $d);
+    my $dh = $defs{$dn};
+    if(($dh->{DEF} && $dh->{DEF} =~ m/\b$d\b/) ||
+       ($h->{DEF}  && $h->{DEF}  =~ m/\b$dn\b/)) {
+      push(@dob, $dn);
+    }
+  }
+  return @dob;
+}
 
 1;
diff --git a/fhem/www/pgm2/fhemweb.js b/fhem/www/pgm2/fhemweb.js
index dc74d82aa..c21fef61c 100644
--- a/fhem/www/pgm2/fhemweb.js
+++ b/fhem/www/pgm2/fhemweb.js
@@ -602,23 +602,32 @@ FW_rawDef()
       $("#content").append('<div id="rawDef">'+
           '<textarea id="td_longText" rows="25" cols="60" style="width:99%"/>'+
           '<button>Execute commands</button>'+
+          ' Dump "Probably associated with" too <input type="checkbox">'+
         '</div></br>');
 
-      FW_cmd(FW_root+"?cmd=list -r "+dev+"&XHR=1", function(data) {
-        data = data.replace(/^define/, "defmod");
-        $("#rawDef textarea").val(data);
-        var off = $("#rawDef").position().top-20;
-        $('body, html').animate({scrollTop:off}, 500);
-        $("#rawDef button").hide();
+      function
+      fillData(opt)
+      {
+        FW_cmd(FW_root+"?cmd=list "+opt+" "+dev+"&XHR=1", function(data) {
+          var re = new RegExp("^define", "gm");
+          data = data.replace(re, "defmod");
+          $("#rawDef textarea").val(data);
+          var off = $("#rawDef").position().top-20;
+          $('body, html').animate({scrollTop:off}, 500);
+          $("#rawDef button").hide();
 
-        $('#rawDef textarea').bind('input propertychange', function() {
-          var nData = $("#rawDef textarea").val();
-          if(nData != data)
-            $("#rawDef button").show();
-          else
-            $("#rawDef button").hide();
+          $('#rawDef textarea').bind('input propertychange', function() {
+            var nData = $("#rawDef textarea").val();
+            if(nData != data)
+              $("#rawDef button").show();
+            else
+              $("#rawDef button").hide();
+          });
         });
-      });
+      }
+      fillData("-r");
+
+      $("#rawDef input").click(function(){fillData(this.checked ?"-R":"-r")});
 
       $("#rawDef button").click(function(){
         var data = $("#rawDef textarea").val();